Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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Hi guys, is there a way to check the crankcase breather valve.
I took it off and could easily blow through it from both sides. Is this normally the way it should be?

Just to be sure, guess it's this part.
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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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I have a similar one on XM, which removes crankcase (oily) fumes from the rocker cover, and vents to intake duct (low suction). Have had ours leak oil, because of a poor O-ring seal where it slots into the intake duct, and a slightly sloppy fit.

Never investigated the inner workings, although a good few petrol ones explained on the web, where the flow through (usually rocker cover to high-vacuum inlet manifold) is variably metered according to engine revs. The diesel versions may be a whole lot simpler, and maybe even just a one-way valve (spring+diaphragm).

Someone here will surely know!

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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Mine on the BX blew both ways with a gauze filter in the middle

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What went wrong? Did I overtighten?

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I had some leakage at the left side of the seal after 100km, so I tightened the left bolt. Everything looked good for about another 100km. Then things went terribly wrong and the cover seal was torn to pieces during my trip back home.
Did I overtighten the rocker cover?
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Hopefully nothing more is broken as I drove about a km slowly while the oil lamp went on and off, before being able to park and refill oil. Then slowly home.

Will need to clean a lot.
Going to try to replace the seal again ASAP. How tight should be tight enough? Other advise?
Feeling embarrassed!

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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Bad luck. You'll need to replace that seal again, preferably with another new one.
You might be lucky and be able to clean it up though, and de-oil it.

Get hold of a tube of Hylomar Blue (it's on Amazon).
Clean all the surfaces with solvent (alcohol, petrol...) and apply the Blue thinly to all surfaces (small brush).
Allow to dry off (15-30mins).
You can then position the seal, and it will stay where you put it. Blue works like a post-it note: it stays put, but is separable and repositionable. Can be separated later, if needed.
Tighten down evenly, but don't overdo it.

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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Hi Chris,
I used Loctite si 5926 silicone blue. Is that also okay to use?
I only put a thin line on the head.
Then I positioned the seal on the cover without the Loctite.
Then I carefully placed the cover on the line of Loctite and tightened the 3 bolts.
I really did not have the idea that it was too tight but it looks like the cover cut completely through the seal. I know for sure when I remove it.
Really, I'm not that strong so I'm confused that this might be too tight.

Q's:
Is it okay to use the Loctite?
Should I put the silicon on both sides of the seal?
Should it be a thin line or just a very thin film (like putting it on with a finger)?
How do I know that the bolts are tight enough to not leak and not to tight to destroy the seal?

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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The tightening torque for the valve cover is stated in Haynes as 2Nm (1.5 lb.ft), so quite a low figure.
This is to avoid distortion and gasket 'squelch'.

I don't know that Loctite sealant, but it's a silicone one, with a 24hr curing time.
That suggests it remains fluid - and slippery - for a good while, which isn't helpful if there's a risk of the gasket slipping out from between the two surfaces.
The Loctite fluid is also recommended for metal-to-metal work (like cast some cast engine sumps), where gasket slip isn't a consideration.
Silicone products are also not usually good at staying adhered to hot/oily surfaces.

The advantage of the Hylomar Blue (and there may be other similar products) is that it goes from thick liquid to a tacky Post-It like surface quite quickly (eg 10-15 mins), and the grip available is useful in preventing flexible gaskets from 'slipping away'.

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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I've seen this before, it's caused by pressure build up in the crankcase, nothing scary, cheap or damp air filters cause it.

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Not sure about that. If the breather valve (in your photo) were stuck closed, it could allow pressure to build up in the crankcase, but a wet or blocky air filter would actually increase intake suction, and assist with crankcase fumes removal.

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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New seal placed. Let's hope this will hold for a while. Going to inspect during the upcoming weeks if there are other places that leak.
For now I checked the breather valve which was open to both sides. So no pressure build-up there.
Also took out the dip-stick with running engine and got a nice pumping air pressure there. Without the oil filler cap there was not much pressure with a warm idling engine so I guess there is no real pressure build up although I am not sure this is a good way of testing (I read somewhere of oil spraying out when pressure is too high?).

Just to get your opinion. Currently I am using GTX 10W40 oil, but probably a thinner engine oil (maybe too thin) was used for some time in this engine. If oil usage of the engine is too high would trying a thicker oil like 20W50 be advisable?

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Re: Trying to find oil leakage XUD9

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On the breather valves, I wonder whether there are more than one type of these - some with a simple wire mesh (catcher, drip-back), and others with some kind of one-way or pressure diaphragm ?

The pressure you're seeing at dipstick and filler openings sounds pretty much normal. Some oil throw-out when a rocker/cam-cover filler cap is removed is not unusual on many engines, as there is a fair bit of thrash going on there.

In my experience, the XUD will run more than happily on 20W/50 (in temperate climates). Our BX19RD went to 177k miles on it, with virtually no discernable engine wear, and minute oil usage. Not everyone's choice, though.